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the show what you're doing up at this hour, our producer, rob, has some answers. >> jim in chicago writes, "hoppedut of bed to go to the bathroom an hour ago, and ended up spraining my mcl. my wife thinks it's best for our marriage if i sit out this rem psych em. i'm up on the couch watching you." >> that's a chicago guy ripping his own quarterback. he went to vind baltimore, i have -- vanderbilt, i have nothing to say. >> james says "working out my remote skills, flipping back and forth between willie and the three stooges on another channel." >> one could see we're one and the same. although i couldn't find two others to get up with me, you get the one stooge. "morning joe" live from d.c. starts now. ♪ i don't doubt that as a result of the impact of the issues of what happened in tucson that there will be a number of proposals that this white house and the congress will evaluate, and we'll wait until tomorrow to see what's in
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the state of the union. there was a period, a period of inflection after the elections, and we've seen it with the swearing-in of a new congress. there's now a split in our government, and ultimately a split in the responsibility of coming up with solutions for -- for this country. >> has the president moved ideologically to the center? >> the president's still the same president that we've had for more than two years. >> good morning, it's tuesday, january 25. happy state of the union morning. i know the kids at home are excited. bursting with excitement, jumping up and down asking, is it tonight, is it tonight? it is. with us to celebrate on set in washington, msnbc political analyst pat buchanan. msnbc chief political correspondent, nora o'donnell, and political columnist for "the huffington post," sam stein. in new york, of course, willie geist. mika's going to be here soon. she thought it important to the south of france and drive to
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monica, get the royal family's -- monaco, get the royal family's response. she'll be here shortly as her private jet lands at dulles. nora's going to be doing news in a minute. first, pat buchanan, you've been around a few white houses when the state of the unions are prepared. rate this as far as importance goes and a president's cycle, annual cycle of why what is important. >> we had a rough election, joe, in 1970, an off-year election. we rollinged out eout in janua new nixon. obama has moved expeditiously to the center. he will present the new obama, if you will, the centrist, the bipartisan individual, the guy who wants to work with the republicans. it's going to be a reprize of tucson. i think -- i wouldn't be surprised to see a grace gesture, toronto reagan on the centennial which would bring
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both houses up. i think it's going to be a possible centrist, accommodating speech. he will say, look, we have to cut the budget and defense, but we've got to protect investment in education. i think it's going to be a winner. >> the president's going to put republicans back on their heels, isn't me? >> he is. and i think they want to use the state of the union as a restart after the shellacking in the mid terms but also as a kickoff into his re-election campaign. we've got more of the news. we're hearing from the white house that the president is expected to call for a new focus on american competitiveness tonight. white house officials say the speech will include a range of ideas from increasing the number of u.s. exports to improving the nation's education system. democratic officials also say the president will challenge members of both parties to avoid political gridlock in the next two years. that's something that's already on the mind of lawmakers as some in congress will cross the aisle to sit together for the first time. and while the president plans to
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stress the need to reduce record budget deficits, he is not expected to embrace any of his deficit commission's controversial recommendations, including raising the retirement age and reducing social security benefi benefits. speaking in new hampshire yesterday, tim pawlenty criticized what he called atrocious democratic spending policies saying, "the last thing obama should be calling for is more government spending at a time where the obama administration is driving the country toward the cliff of insolvency. it's reckless, it's irresponsible, it hasn't worked, it's not going to work. and he needs to be stopped in some regard." while heading into tonight's address, a new cnn poll finds 55% of americans now approve of how obama is handling his job. that's actually up seven points from polls in november and december. >> let's look at those numbers. put those numbers back up. and all i can say is wow. sam stein, a lot of progressives
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may not like what he's done, but moving to the center, bringing businesspeople into the administration, being more moderate on tax policy, talking about deficit reduction has been great for his numbers. >> i think getting things done, whether it was the very productive lame duck session, most likely, whether it was a tax deal, those tends to endear you -- those tend to endear you to the public. i think it was always overstated the progressive angst with the president. if you looked at the polls, there were a lot of people who didn't like him. in general -- >> no -- >> the further you get away from "the huffington post," the better he does. >> very well may be true. i love the community i work in. but, you know, with respect to the standing, what's remarkable is that it's happening with unemployment still above 9%. >> yeah. >> that's terrific. >> pat, that's what we keep going back to. i -- we were even saying a month and a half ago when it was supposed to be the bitter end for barack obama, you and i kept saying, the fact that he's at
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45% with 19% real unemployment shows real strength. >> he's got a real base of strength to build on. i mean, bush was down to 27%. he didn't have numbers like that. so it was terrific. these are outstanding numbers. >> they are. >> i want to stress, though, it's not -- we try to define him in an ideological box, we say he's moved to the center. >> he has. >> maybe so, but everything we listed in terms of state of the union promises were the same promises he made during his speech. they are literally recycled. the deficit commission approach, not touching social security, that is something that is sort of a tip of the hat. >> the bottom line is, though, nora, he embraced bush tax cuts. he's tripled the numbers of troops in afghanistan, he says we're going to keep fighting there. he -- he's pretty centrist right now. >> i think this state of the union is going to try and brand the president as a fiscal conservative in many ways. i also think the tone of the speech is rallying everybody about winning the future, right? that's the phrase that the white house keeps talking about and
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competitiveness. that word has been beaten over our heads, competitiveness. it is -- we can outcompete any nation on the earth. that's what the president said, we're pro-growth, pro-trade. a new phase of recovery. >> let's dig into that. what that is about is the fact that republicans are going to propose cuts to education. >> right. >> cuts to research and development. cuts to infrastructure. cuts in all of these areas where the chinese are beating our brains out right now by moving ahead quickly with their investment. and pat, the bottom line is republicans are taking the pentagon, medicare, medicaid, social security off the table, which means they only have 1/6 of the budget to play with. they're slashing vital programs because they don't have the courage to go where the real money is. >> or they're slashing the discretionary programs they've proposed -- >> obama's defense discretionary programs. >> there's 20% left. i believe obama's going to have the winning hand here because republicans are going to do the hard work, they're going to say
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we've got to cut -- they're on sort of the chopping side. he's going to say we've got to save education, we've got to save infrastructure. but i think sam is right here. he keeps making a gesture to the left. don't ask, don't tell, not touching social security. you know, the left has been saying don't touch social security. and he threw that one to them here. joe, i don't know how we're going to get this resolved because nobody's going to touch it -- >> can i say something? let's raise whether that's that bold not to endorse what the deficit commission proposed. because the deficit commission said let's raise the retirement age from 67 to 69, and the early retirement age from 62 to 64 by 2075. >> let's go to willie geist up in new york. i want to say, willie geist, there is a constituency that is very angry with the deficit commission's proposals. >> yeah. >> we've talked about it on social security. two-year-old jack scarborough,
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and 18 month george. with -- >> w. -- >> both kids when they heard the deficit commission's recommendation spit up their milk because they would be the first americans that had to wait two more years. >> george -- george erupted last night, he threw spaghetti out of his high chair when he heard the recommendations. he has a powerful lobby accept at his preschool. they're not goic to th -- not g take it sitting down. >> official washington is afraid to talk about accepting deficit commission suggestions that would not impact pat, would not impact my parents, would not impact me, would not impact you, would not impact nor awounora, t impact sam -- we're getting younger. and would not impact my three oldest children. 22, 19, and 7. but would impact my 2-year-old, and the president can't embrace
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that. how sad is that? >> well, it's sad, and every politician we have on cannot answer the question. you'd go after the programs, well, everything's on the table. no one will specifically say i'm going to go after medicare or social security or whatever it is. and that speaks to politics, as you know, joe. people not willing to make tough decisions because they don't want to get voted out of office. >> i can tell you, my 2-year-old is very angry. in fact, came up to me last night with a toy gun and said "let me tell you, my preschool is going to be armed and dangerous." they've got this michelle bachmann cartoon channel. i'm like, "what are you talking about, jack?" bad influence. actually -- here's the segue. do you know who's the happiest group of people in washington, d.c., right now? >> who? >> the white house. because michelle bachmann is going to trounce -- going to come and step all over paul ryan's response. >> yeah. >> and here you have a woman who has been unbelievably reckless,
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she's talked about how minnesotans needed to be armed and dangerous on climate change. and she is now -- i guess, nora -- >> and? that's crazy. >> it's absolutely crazy. and she is going to be given this -- this microphone, and i guess the republican leadership's angry, too. >> yes, i'm hearing that there are members of the republican leadership that are angry because it was congressman paul ryan who was tapped to deliver the republican response to the president's address tonight, and according to this morning's "new york times," democrats have already begun a campaign to portray ryan as the architect of fiscal policies that they consider unwise, including, ding, ding, ding, ding, plans to partially privatize social security and medicare. >> jack is upset. >> and according to a house leadership aide, ryan is expected to focus on spending cuts, a message underscored by the fact that he'll deliver his remarks from the budget committee room. meanwhile, an aide to chris christie confirms that the governor turned down an invitation to deliver the
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republican rebuttal because he felt it would be inappropriate to federal address earl when his state has its own pressing problem. >> what a smart move by christie. look at the past ten guys or women who have done the response, pat. nothing good ever comes of it. >> webb was the only one. he came off almost a winner. he's the only one. you're right, i think they ought to give that. joe, look, the president of the united states is one branch of government himself. he's the leader of the nation. why would you bring in a partisan person to have an answer to him? i think they ought to do -- >> what about michelle bachmann? how bad is that for the republican party? >> i'm going to take a counterveiling argument here, which is that paul ryan will come out looking pretty good because she's going to be seen as the sort of radical conservative. and he'll be seen as between her and obama, sort of the more moderate centrist person. when in fact, he is a doctrinaire conservative. it's not the worst thing for him. >> do you find -- doctrinaire conservative?
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>> i think he will call himself that. >> he's not doctrinaire. that suggests that he's blinding ideological. he's just pretty good with math. >> well -- >> he doesn't jump off of cliffs, but he knows this country's going over a cliff. >> he's what he would call -- a conservative path toward governance. maybe i overstated with doctrinaire. regardless, after tonight when michelle bachmann is his other contrast, he will come off as looking as a sane, more centrist politician. i don't think that's the worst deal in the world for him in that format. >> i think it's bad for the republican party, and it's great for the obama white house. that -- >> i'd like to see if -- if in fact paul ryan goes so far in tonight's rebuttal to the president to actually talk about what he believes in and many members of the republican leadership don't agree with him on which is cuts to social security and cuts to medicare and medicaid. what he will say tonight. >> there's a separation, and pat, paul ryan is one of the only fiscally responsible people that has any power, that's
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spoken out and said we've got to go after medicare. we've got to go after medicaid. we've got to go after social security. >> didn't bernie sander say we're going to take paul ryan's budget and put it up for a vote? that's what they did with reagan's budget, we got 12 votes when they sent it up. >> really? >> yeah. when it comes to these specifics, these guys -- that's why they're not talking about it. they run from it. they've had a tough time. >> that's a huge mistake. you know what? you run into -- you run into the opposition on this stuff. the american people are ready for tough choices. ask chris christie in new jersey, the bluest of bluest states. a state that no republicans won since i guess bush in '88? >> right. >> chris christie, most popular politician in new jersey right now. >> uh-huh. >> you get -- >> in the country -- >> yeah. hey, we've got a big show. mika is, again, jetting in from the coast. she will be here soon, the coast, i mean in the mediterranean. we also have senator chuck schumer. he's going to be with us talking
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about the state of the union. senator tom coburn will be here as well as white house senior adviser valerie jarrett. former governor ed rendell. and when we come back, politico's top stories are out. and we also have bill karins. bill, i understand we have yet another snowstorm coming to the northeast. >> yeah, joe. this one's going to be a mess, though, not just plain snow, snow, sleet, rain. we're going to throw it together for you. let me show you yesterday. yesterday was, you know, bitterly cold. can't really express temperatures with picture. but i think this one pretty much sums it up. this guy was watching the jets game, came outside, and found his car looking like this after a water main broke. poor guy. said he was more upset about the jets actually. let's talk about the temperatures this morning. they are much warmer than yesterday. a typical morning. we're setting the stage for our snow event and sleet because the cold air is leaving us. now as far as today goes, actually a nice day. look at new york city.
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40 degrees. there's some snow showers in new england. temperature in the 30s. d.c. could be unto 48 degrees today. that's why you know you're not going to get a snowstorm. all that rain's in the deep south, atlanta through the southeast. this is how the storm goes. over the gulf, then on wednesday, it's going to head off the east coast. there's just enough cold air that interior sections of new england could get significant snow. but the big cities, it looks like a wintry mess. it's too early to pinpoint snow amounts. i'll have them for you tomorrow. if i was doing it right now, it would be more or less a guess. a messy storm. you're watching "morning joe." [ male announcer ] in the event of a collision, the smartest thing you could do is cut the fuel supply... ♪
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jews and the people believed it, and you had the holocaust. >> many people were annoyed but none more than fox news. >> he compared the gop health law claims to nazi lies. >> of course, you can always count on some democratic buzzkill to twist things around. >> the leading commentators on this network use this kind of language. let's you and i get together now -- >> it's just not true. i watch every day, and you're wrong. >> i issue a challenge live on this program to my staff. find someone on fox news alluding to their political opponents of using reference -- >> i know the progressives are using progressive tactics, not the nazi tactics. the nazis were using early american progressive tactics. that's not my opinion, that's historic fact. >> and you know, i should know, i've been drawing the wrong conclusions from historic facts for years. >> let's say -- he does. that guy trots out the whole
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nazi comparison too regularly. let's look at the morning papers. "the new york times,"" only a month to go until election day, rahm emanuel was disqualified from appealing on chicago's ballot for mayor. stunning. a panel of court justices felt that rahm did not live in the city for at least a full year before the election as required. >> and "the houston chronicle," astronaut mark kelly, husband of congresswoman gabrielle giffords, says he will decide in the next two weeks whether to command nasa's final launch of space shuttle endeavour in april. i think he's going. >> yeah, i do, too. and the "los angeles times," congressional republicans are grappling with descent within the party's ranks over the size and scope of proposed reductions that they see to fulfill a campaign pledge to slash the federal budget. >> and "the financial times," in the aftermath of yesterday's suicide bombing in moscow's international airport, twitter became the best way for russians to find out what happened, information on the attack hit twitter within five minutes.
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radio took 30 minutes, while state-controlled tv took two hours. at least 35 people were killed in the attack. so far no one has claimed responsibility, but russian authorities suspect chechen militants. >> and look what happened in tunisia where w that revolution. social -- tunisia with that revolution. social media. the fed writing the irs has unveiled a new app to let taxpayers check the status of refunds and access of their other information about their tax returns. that's pretty interesting. patrick gavin, is there -- is there a cat about -- >> there is actually a very popular cat ipad app where it basically has, i don't know, mice on it. you put it on the ground, the cats just swipe it, it's an -- entertainment for hours. they're doing it now -- >> willie? willie? willie, help me out here. i cannot continue with this interview. >> patrick must have gotten cat hair on his other blazer, he's had to bring that one in today,
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the corduroy. >> you can't see it, it's more of a cal cico, blends right in. according to a federal report, taxpayers, patrick as you know, may have footed part of the bill for republican campaigns during the 2006 midterms. and looks like there might be some blame to go to the bush white house. what's going on here? >> yeah. the bush administration's not quite out of the woods. we keep talking about it. yesterday was a report by the office of special counsel, not a very well-known organization in town. basically put out a 120-page document saying that the bush administration in 2006 midterms violated widespread violation of federal laws in their office of political affairs. >> doing what? >> essentially they're saying that staffers there and taxpayer funded staffers were being used to do a couple of things. one, sort of track where candidates were, track where this funding was going for the midterm elections. also saying that some -- some officials were being sent out to
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key congressional districts, for that sort of final push. you know, you might say this is 2006, why do -- >> i was -- right. >> but what's it -- what's the difference between what they do there and what every white house has done for 200 years? >> they actually said. they sort of said this is not exactly new. what is sort of new is that there was some speculation following -- a lot of people following this case to see whether or not the hatch act, sort of the law involved here, would be enforced or whether or not this was considered to be burm. this took place -- business as usual. this took place only two days after barack obama announced that he would shut down the office of political affairs, move it out of chicago, move staffers to the dnc. the white house isn't saying we're doing this because of that, but i think a lot of people are waiting to see how they would rule. >> the so-called 915 attack group, they were scheduling the vice president and cabinet officials, the entire campaign of 1972, all the strategy memos,
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everything of done in there, frankly, there was nothing to do. i think that's one reason they got into trouble. it was all run out of the white house. >> that's why there was the hatch act and changes made. >> there's a law on the books that year not supposed to engage in politics when you're on federal payroll. another one of those laws. >> you know, pats, i think -- i think that -- creep, got to call it creep. that will draw action. patrick, thank you very much. >> thanks, guys. >> thanks for the info. on the ipad app. >> i'm here to provide with a weekly cat update. [ meowi ining ] >> thank you, kitty. now new york. nicole lapin is at cnbc headquarters. good morning. >> reporter: i am not meowing no matter what. stock index levels are like any other psychological landmark, guys. we are really close to a big one here. doesn't really make a difference if the dow, to be honest, is at
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12,000 or stays at 11,980, where it is now. or if the s&p goes up to 1,300 or if it stays at 1,290 like it is now. let's be honest, it sounds a whole lot better. what's moving this? it could be showing that animal spirits are back in the marketplace. that is the half full side of the story. there's the big contrarian view, guys, that it is just a massive hedge on inflation that is up the wazoo or the double contrarian view that we're just hanging on to helicopter ben's jets dream. we're hearing from him also. he's really propping up this market and trying to make sure that the double at goes away. guys? >> yeah, that 12,000 psychological barrier hasn't been hit since june of -- >> 2008. >> yeah. before the -- fateful september weekend. all right. nicole lapin, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. in a few minutes, senator chuck schumer join the conversation. plus, rewriting history.
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a historian admits he altered a piece of lincoln's past with the stroke of a pen. keep it on "morning joe." today marks my first state of the union address to you. president washington began this tradition in 1790 after reminding the nation that the destiny of self-government and the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty is finally staked on the experiment in trust into the hands of the american people. for our friends in the press who place a high premium on accuracy, lets me say i did not actually hear george washington say that. ♪ ooh, ah la, la, la ♪
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welcome back to "morning joe," everybody. we've got a lot of news this morning. new york mayor michael bloomberg is urging washington to strengthen federal gun laws to prevent firearms from falling into the hands of buyers with a history of violence or mental illness. at a news conference yesterday, bloomberg said a law passed in 1968 after the assassinations of dr. martin luther king jr. and senator robert kennedy has not lived up to its full potential. >> the greatest country in the world, greatest democracy created. yet we have this carnage and our democratic system so far has been unwilling to fix it. all they've got to do is say this is not about the second amendment, this is not about your right to bear arms and hunt and have target practice as a sport. this is about plain common sense enforcement of laws that are already on the books. >> we'll see what the president says tonight. vice president joe biden reported for jury duty yesterday morning along with about 100 other at a delaware courthouse
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after receiving a summons. however, shortly after noon he was dismissed along with the rest of his jury pool without being called to serve on a trial. a noted historian has been banned for life from the national archives after confessing he altered a document signed by president abraham lincoln. >> this is not a good thing to do. you've got this -- pat? you hear about this? he changed the year. >> thomas lowery made it appear that lincoln spared a mentally incompetent army private from the death penalty for desertion. just hours before being assassinated in 1865. the pardon was, in fact, not one of president lincoln's final acts and was actually signed a year before in 1864. there you can see that five. >> too good a -- >> yeah. and new government figures show that after a decade of multibillion dollar losses, u.s. airlines are on course to prosper for years to come. >> do you -- do they actually -- do they make money losing my package? is there some like black market
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where -- >> yes -- >> you hold bags for a week and you somehow move them around and -- maybe a new derivative, i don't know. >> exactly. this study is according to the associated press. and they say that air carriers are eliminating more and more flights, cutting costs, pushing fares higher, and losing joe's luggage. and while planes are fuller than they've been in years, the eighth largest u.s. airlines are forecast to earn more than $5 billion. >> it's a brutal -- it is a -- an absolutely brutal industry. >> willie? >> you just -- people do not make good profits in the airline industry. and i guess they figured out the only way to do it, pat, is by cutting services, cutting routes, making the planes smaller, jamming people into more seats. change fees. >> a cattle car you're sitting in all the way to the west coast and stuff. it's amazing. >> it is. >> it's no -- it used to be fun, frankly, when you were younger. flying was terrific. >> a brutalizing experience if
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you do it regularly. >> it's a good thing that "morning joe" has that private jet that all of us use. >> yeah. >> where is that? >> i was going to say, nora, if you want to let -- if you want to let me know, i would love one of those things. willie, do you have a private jet in we sure would like it. >> no. the closest we get is a piggyback from lewis. that's our main mode of transportation. that's all we get around here. >> willie, gosh, the sports world over the past 24 hours has been abuzz about chicago bears quarterback jay cutler. being tough enough? not being tough enough? it's been heartening, though, to see the bears surround their quarterback and basically tell the rest of the world to go hell. >> yeah. they did it immediately after the game. and they did it again. cutler taking a lot of heat for remaining on the sideline after he sustained a knee injury sometime in the first half. he tried to come back in the second, played a series, then sat out the rest of the game against the packers. a game the bears lost eventually.
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the chicago fans and football fans around the country wanted him to be the gladiator that they expect nfl players to be and come back and play on the injured knee. jed it was revealed by the bears that cutler suffered a grade-two sprain of his mcl, an injury that typically takes three to four week to heal. but the damage, of course, had been done on twitter. on sunday, current and former nfl players ripping into cutler. jags' running back maurice jones drew said "i think the urban meyer rule is in effect. when the going gets tough, quit." drew later backed off those comments saying he was just joking. this from -- >> what a joke. >> this from former tampa bay bucs linebacker, "there's no medicine for a guy with no guts and heart." and deion sanders saying, "i'm telling you, in the playoffs you must drag me off the field. i never question a player's injury, but i do question a player's heart." in a press conference yesterday, bears' head coach lovie smith defended his quarterback. >> if you're in that fraternity,
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you would be stilling up for your fellow man -- stepping up for your fellow man. especially when you don't know what's going on. as far as jay, jay didn't take himself out of the game. if you're going to attack somebody, you should be attacking me. as a head football coach and our medical staff, we're the ones -- he wanted to go back in. he was injured and went back in in the second half. so -- i see it the complete opposite of how it's being portrayed right now. >> and he was just one of many bears players who came out again yesterday. the g.m. of the team says he's one of the toughest guys we've ever had around. the bottom line is people don't like jay cutler. he's not a friendly guy. became an easy target on sunday for sports writers who never made their high school teams. >> yeah, exactly. >> oh! >> seriously, willie. these fat sports writers to attack a quarterback at this level, guys have probably never thrown a pass five yards. if you've got a knee problem and you're playing the nfl and you can't plant your foot, you can't play football. it's just -- it is preposterous.
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>> it is. it's the nfl. they want to say brett favre. they want to see at least try, limp on to the field, give it a shot and have the doctors pull him off. he kind of sat on the sideline alone, and they wanted to see more fire. that's not the kind of guy he is. >> it wasn't his left elbow, you know? i mean, it was his knee. >> yeah, so. >> all right. when we come back, senator chuck schumer of new york will talk about tonight's speech. the republican response, and what might, might be said about social security. keep it on "morning joe." mr. speaker, at your swearing-in, you asked us all to work together in the spirit of civility and bipartisanship. mr. speaker, let's do exactly that. [ applause ] ♪
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i will do my best to bring the ryan plan to the floor of the united states senate, to give my republican colleagues the opportunity to vote to privatize social security and medicare and to make massive cuts on programs needed by ordinary people at the same time as they give tax breaks to the rich. so if that's what they want to campaign on, let them vote on that. >> okay. welcome to 2011, baby. it's a new ball game. and with us now from capitol hill, democratic senator from new york, senator chuck schumer. we hear this back and forth. you know where it's going to end. there's going to be a lot of demagoguery, people saying that this debt commission plan is going to throw senior citizens into the streets when, my gosh, it doesn't even bump the age up
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two years for like 40 -- 40 years. do you think we're going to get past all this nonsense and do something sensible on medicare and social security in this session of congress? >> well, i think social security is in a sense the easier one to do. it's not in crisis, it has -- it's solvent for decades, and we have a track record. in the past, in 1983, you had democrats and republicans come together, make minor changes, and preserve the life for further decades. what paul ryan, though, suggests, privatization is really a dismantling of social security. i don't think the american people support it. it would reduce benefits to the average social security recipient who is hardly wealthy. and to take sort of an ideological viewpoint as opposed to let's deal with the solvency of the program is just not going to work. and i think that's what senator sanders was referring to. i think we will solve it. i think we will be able to increase the age of social
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security. it doesn't need dramatic overhaul, it needs some minor changes. >> right. right. we, of course, had the privatization debate in 2005. and republicans lost. so i'm -- i'm glad to hear you talking about 1983. that's when ronald reagan and tip o'neill and dan rostenkowski and others got together and did some very responsible thing that were unpopular with the american people. but do you think that's a good model going forward? this session? >> the model of bipartisan, the model of people not saying i'm for this or against that, but people getting together to solve the problem in a bipartisan way makes a good deal of sense, and i think it can be replicated again. what ryan symbolizes is privatization. that's off the table, and if the republicans cling to it in both -- jeff sessions, ranking member of the budget committee in the senate, and eric cantor said they like his roadmap.
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that's pretty serious stuff. the election said reduce government spending and refocus the government on the middle class. it didn't say go back to the 1920s and just get government out of everything including social security. >> let's go to sam stein. of course, sam, the republican leadership is aggressively distancing themselves from the ryan plan. >> yeah. >> kantor won't go there, boehner won't go there, sure, mcconnell won't go there. >> and you see it in polls, that you poll self-identified tea partiers, they don't want to make changes to social security. they're worried that it's going to cut their benefit. this is one of literally the third rails of politics. >> yeah. >> incremental change. i wanted to ask the senator a question on rules reform -- >> just one -- i'm happy to answer. aren't the republicans making a huge mistake by putting paul ryan front and center? he is not in the mainstream on these issues. by the way, you look at the rest of his plan. he reduces taxes greatly on the wealthy, increases burdens on the middle class.
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now i -- god bless the wealthy. they made money, they help america, they create jobs. but their income is growing, and middle class incomes are shrinking. it's exactly the opposite plan. it's sort of a plan for the 1920s, and then this is the guy they want to put forward. doesn't make any sense. >> there are -- there are issue with that. that's probably why i said michelle bachmann will inevitably help him with the contrast. one question on rules reform is -- >> sure. >> today and tomorrow and maybe in a few more days, it's critical in terms of what the senate's going to do procedurally going forward. reports are out there that filibuster reform or at least the talking filibuster are now off the table. can you give us a sense of what type of package of rules reform democrats led by you are negotiating right now? >> yeah. first of all, everyone would agree the senate is -- i wouldn't say totally broken, but needs some fixing. the filibuster is used far too much. we don't get to vote on even minor things like judges and secondary appointment. the republicans would say we don't allow enough time for
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amendments. that we do something called fill the tree, which blocks amendment. there's some justification on both sides there. and so i think we can in a bipartisan way move to change some of the egreej things such as the secret holes where any one member can hold up a nominee for months and not reveal who he or she is. we can certainly cut back on the number of appointments by the president that need senate confirmation. there's also a way to get to the nub of this and have the lou piniella both sides agreeing to -- have the agreement on both sides agreeing to pull back, not filling the tree and amendments. i think there's a possibility we could come to a pretty good agreement. >> go ahead. >> senator pat buchanan. look, we're running the third straight deficit of $1.3 trillion, $1.4 trillion. even the republican hawks in the house i saw the other day, they want to cut $100 billion out of
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that which would be only 8% of the definitely. 2.5% of the budget. aren't we really given that fact we're not going to do any of these things, aren't we really headed down the road to exactly where greece is and ireland is right now eventually? >> well, we have to worry about that eventually. we're still in much, much better shape than just about any other country in the world. but let me say this, pat. there are few things we have to look at, absolutely. and one of them, the greatest place where spending is going up is medicare and medicaid. we have the best system in the world, but it's also the most inefficient. 17% of gdp goes to health care in our country. the next highest is a little more than ten. so what would be a great thing is if democrats and republicans like on social security -- and this is a lot harder -- could come together and eliminate all this waste and duplication and inefficiency and still deliver good health care to people and get -- take off your ideological blinders. don't say you have to privatize it. don't say you have to socialize
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it. work on these kinds of pragmatic cuts. if we don't do that, we're not going to solve the problem. and a second place to go where you might not want to go, the number-one reason we have the deficit is medicare. number two, we did a huge amount of tax cuts on the highest income people. and we are going to have to look there in a smart and moderate way. the ryan plan lowers taxes on those people. that was the second biggest reason we went from a surplus at the end of bill clinton to a big deficit under george bush. if week doo that we'll put ourselves on sound fiscal footing. >> nora? >> hi, senator, nora o'donnell here. >> hi, nora. >> hi. you heard mayor bloomberg urging the tackling of gun control in the state of the union. do you expect we'll hear anything from the president on that? >> well, i don't know. i've talked to them and the president about some of the
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things in the speech. i don't know about gun control. i can tell you this -- he is going to have a speech that in certain ways is like ronald reagan. it's going to talk about optimism and growth and our future. not this dower, sower we can es dower, sour america's messed up which i'm hearing from some of my republican friends. the president is going to try to rekindle in the middle class, the core of our milk, as you know, that's what i've always believed, the american dream. what is that? that ten years from now the odds are pretty good that you'll do better than you're doing today. the odds are very good your children will do better than you. he's going to try to rekindle that. and a sour dower message of cut ever, we can't do anything right, isn't going to work. the president's message is balanced, growth and get rid of wasting government spending i think is going to resonate really well with the american people. >> pat buchanan? barack obama, according to chuck schumer, seizing the mantel of
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ronald reagan, the blofloodin b choked on their cheetos. he's going to be an optimist. >> pat, isn't the great lesson of ronald reagan optimism? >> yeah. that's one of them. tax cuts is another one. >> oh. >> senator -- senator, you're exactly right, i -- i couldn't agree more on optimism. i keep hearing people talking about how we're collapsing, how china's going to overtake us. i know like me remember, they were saying the same thing about japan in 1988, 1989. same -- you know, what is it? second verse, same as first. get out of here. usa won. >> you got it. who's your date tonight? who's your republican date, senator? >> oh, tom coburn, pat. you'll be happy with me. tom coburn and i are sitting next to each other. >> ( speaking chinese )
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>> oprah had some trouble with other family members in the past going to the press first. this woman knew about this for three years, never said anything to anyone until she found oprah. good for her, good for oprah. >> what an incredible story. what a mark of good character. opene --oprah's right. >> tim pawlenty, the man making a push for a republican nominee, he's got this rollout. he had the book out, making a speech in new hampshire. now his political action committee has put out a remarkable, almost action thriller movie trailer-level video to promote his brand. watch. >> if prosperity were easy, everybody around the world would be prosperous. if freedom were easy, everybody around the world would be free. if security were easy, everybody around the world would be secure. they are not. none of this is going to be easy. but this is the united states of
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ryan seacrest sends you jeans? >> correct. they even put the button holes on for suspenders, right? and look at these -- hey. [ cheers ] that's ryan seacrest. >> wait. those are ryan seacrest's jeans? >> no, he buys them, i guess. what do you mean -- they're in from his body. [ laughter ] >> maybe they are. >> maybe they are. maybe he takes them off at night, puts them in a fedex
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envelope, and you get them. those are very sea-cresty jeans, i'm telling you. >> not ryan seacrest. >> yeah. welcome back to "morning joe," we are live in washington, d.c., on the morning of the state of the union address. >> yes. going to be exciting. >> excited to have you back. so you -- you went on assignment last night in the south of france. >> no -- >> what did the royal family and -- what did they say? you made the treacherous trek. what do they think the president should say? >> yeah, i think they're looking forward to hearing optimism tonight and a sense of perhaps hope that we will move forward in terms of innovation in our place in the world. and in terms of me -- >> i -- >> i slept in to save face. >> monaco-ian -- >> not monaco. >> we have our guests, nbc news chief foreign correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell.
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pulitzer-prize winning editor and political analyst eugene robinson. and willie geist is in new york, sort of sloughing it off, he says he has a knee injury, doesn't want to participate. we need to drag him off the bench and make him work. andrea, the white house, my gosh, a sense of vertigo has set in this city. this is always a back and forth in politics. but you talked to the inner circle at the white house, and i would not say they are giddy. they are realistic that what goes up must come down. they know they're in a great place, and they're particularly excited about the news that michelle bachmann is going to be picked up by cnn and fox and i would guess probably this network and other. >> the gift that keeps on giving. >> unbelievable. >> how do you get to a situation where you've got paul ryan going up against you, who has been mainstream conservative, budget
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cutting -- >> from from swing district in wisconsin -- >> half the american public wants budget cutting. and as long as he's not too specific about what he wants to cut -- >> right -- >> that's a good deal. and then michelle bachmann. to have the republican party divided this way, you know, i -- i love sam stein, but i'm not so sure that michelle bachmann is going to make paul ryan look better. i think it's just going to make barack obama look like the reasonable alternative. >> someone told me -- >> someone tell me how this is not a disaster, okay? >> first of all, we should explain to some who may not know about michelle bachmann. she is somebody that has repeatedly referred to barack obama's government as thuggish. >> yeah. >> she said minnesotans should be "armed and dangerous." >> right. >> that was her response to a cap and trade bill that she didn't like. >> uh-huh. >> she is one of the most strident, i think, aggressive people in the party. i'm not talking ideologically.
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i'm talking with some of the words that she said that have violent overtones. and for this to be who barack obama gets to play off politically tonight is a dream for -- >> not just ideologically but retroactively, her -- at the torq rhetorically. and it has to be a sputs nick moment and appeal -- sputnik moment and appeal to our greatestness. then michelle bachmann will say they're all thugs and socialists. it's not going to ring right. >> so pat and joe, explain to me why the party -- how the party can let this happen, how can they not see this as going badly? >> they tried -- >> they've tried to stop it. >> what in the world is wrong with her? >> pardon? >> what's wrong with her? >> listen, i think she's going to benefit her, quite frankly. >> are you sure? >> sure. that would be my guess. sure. she's elevated herself up there with the president of the united
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states, we're all talking about her. she's thinking of running and gets -- she's not going to get the audience the president did, but she's going to get all of these cable news networks -- >> i talked to amy kramer from tea party express, one of the tea party organizers. she was helping to organize this. i said, aren't you hurting the republican party. she said we are not a wing of the republican party. so that is the -- >> but can the republican party not help itself by saying michelle bachmann, we agree with her on some things ideologically, but we distance ourselves from language suggesting that minnesotans and americans should be "armed and dangerous," or that barack obama is a thug? or some of this other talk that you know will turn off voters in the philadelphia suburb and in the i-4 corridor, all the areas republican have to win if they want to be in the white house again. >> but the thing is, joe, the republican party is very dependent on the tea party. they don't want to start an unnecessary fight with the tea party. frankly, they only would probably say my guess tonight
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is, look, representative ryan is going to be speaking in the response of the republican party. michelle bachmann is a good republican, but she is not the official -- >> i still don't understand -- >> that's what republicans were saying yesterday. they were saying this is not the official response, not that she's not welcome to do it. but -- >> i'm the communications director. >> exactly. >> and by the way, the tea party could find somebody far -- far better to speak on their behalf. because americans -- you look at polls, americans agree in large part with what tea party members support, they do not agree with violent rhetoric. saying that minnesotans should be armed and dangerous. >> it's a very difficult position to be in, to be the republican response. there's a lot of reasons why it probably doesn't go well. paul ryan has a chance for it to go fairly well, and then we've got michelle bachmann. good luck. joining us now from the white house, nbc news chief white house correspondent and co-host of more than's -- i promoted -- "the daily rundown." savannah guthrie. >> hope it comes with a raise,
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too. >> no. so savannah, i guess the white house has got to be pretty excited about tonight, bottom line, given the conversation we've just had. >> reporter: yes, and also considering where they were just ten weeks ago. sort of out from the ashes of the mid terms. the president seeing a bump in the polls. i think they're hoping that the state of the union speech really cements that rise in the polls. as you know, they're kind of denying this notion of him moving to the ideological center. and yet, there we are. i think we're going to see some of that tone in the state of the union tonight. everything kind of framed as here's where we can work together with republicans, whether it's on energy, whether it's on free trade, job, education, as i understand it, that will be kind of the paradigm for this speech. the president still working on it, late last night with his speechwriter, may practice it today, time permitting. and it will probably run around the same time as last year's which was about an hour or so. >> the fundamental theme that we know so far of his speech
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tonight, savannah? >> reporter: competitiveness. i would call it almost a quasi-patriotic appeal saying, look, america, we still have reason to be optimistic. i think it will be optimistic in tone in terms of america can still be competitive. the president laying out how he thinks america should be competitive. and it's in that context that the president will talk it what the white house calls investments in things like innovation, education, and he'll talk about his green energy agenda. even as carol browner, the head of the office on climate control -- excuse me, climate change and energy, is set to leave. america can keep up in this global economy, but we have to make smart decision business where to direct our resources. >> pat buchanan, this is such a winni winning message. >> sure it is. >> for a year or two i've been hearing people talk about america in decline and the rising chinese power. and for a president to step forward and say snap out of it,
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we're americans, you know, we can come back. this is a great opportunity for this president. >> and he's going to do a reprise i'm sure of tucson. let's do it together, we can do it together, we've got our disagreements and be uplifting. why their is why ryan has a tough time -- this is why ryan has a tough time. he's going to be the bookkeeper, downsize the firm, tell you who we're going to lose, get laid off here. it's a tough call. >> but it is necessary. >> and in the box -- this is something that ronald reagan started, you're going to have the parents, you know, of christina taylor green and other -- daniel hernandez, other heroes from tucson, as well as staff sergeant -- the newest medal of honor recipients. you have these heroic figures, ursula burnes, owner of xerox, large business, small business, as well as the tucson moments which pat is pointing out. >> a morning again in america scenario. it's teed up for him. >> it is. >> i also think the stage is set
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for this president to use his finest qualities in terms of being able to communicate with the american public. >> and savannah, the white house knows this is a president that gets to -- the opportunity to be the guy from iowa again. the uniter that united republicans, mika and i have talked about it for two years. and we talked about it while the president had lost his way. but republicans coming up to us in iowa in 2008 saying i'm voting for this guy. he may be coming back to that moment where he's a uniter again. >> well, and a lot of people looked at, for example, the speech in tucson as a reminder of what they liked about president obama, that notion that he can bring people together, this is a concept that's very appealing to americans. no matter what their own political ideology is, they want to see washington work. and a lot of analysts will look at the lame duck session and what came out of that and say that's proof positive that at
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least washington was get something done and that the president has benefited from that. so as i said here at the white house, they don't want to say that he's made a huge visit ideologically, but it's in terms of perception, i think there has been a shift. and he's benefitting from it in the polls. >> all right, savannah guthrie, thank you very much. >> reporter: my pleasure. >> you can catch savannah and chuck on "the daily rundown" at 9:00 eastern time on msnbc. and coming up, much more still ahead this morning including dee dee myers, senator tom coburn, and governor ed rendell, plus -- >> he's a new -- we're not going to say yet. we'll say it later. >> i love him. plus, how calculated has president obama's swing to the middle been? we'll ask white house senior adviser valerie jarrett next. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> well, good morning you to, mika. getting reports now in connecticut, rhode island, and just north of new york city of snow that has fallen. just about one to two inches. just enough to really cover the
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roads and make them slick. a lot of school delays in the areas, too. new york city can expect a little burst here of light snow as we go through the next hour or two. maybe enough to just coat the roads. be careful, give yourself extra time. later this afternoon, there won't be any issues weatherwise, that light -- the light snow showers will be exiting new england. a decent day. d.c., 48 degrees. a little bit of a january thaw. the new story is the next storm coming. in the southeast today. it will move up the east coast. wednesday afternoon, wednesday night into thursday morning is the timing of the next blast of winter weather. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. ♪ [ folk pop ] [ man ] ♪ if you got worries then you're like me ♪ ♪ don't worry now i won't hurt you ♪ ♪ and if you got worries then you're like me ♪
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there was a -- a period, a period of inflection after the elections, and we've seen it
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with the swearing-in of a new congress. there's now a split in our government, and ultimately a split in the responsibility of coming up with solutions for -- for this country. >> has the president moved ideologically to the center? >> the president's still the same president that we've had for more than two years. welcome back to "morning joe," a live look from the white house. joining us senior adviser to the president, valerie jarrett. good to have you on the show this morning. perfect day for it. >> it is, good morning, everyone, i hear you have a full house there today. >> oh, we do. we do. >> you notice she doesn't stand outside like savannah. poor savannah freezing outside. >> no, valerie's glamorous, she's inside. >> thank you. >> a lot of symbolism tonight in the guests who are there and also with democrats and republicans sitting together. are they going to follow through on this? >> i think they are. chuck schumer is going to be sitting with tom coburn. >> i like that. >> valerie, peace breaks out and it's iowa, 2008, all over again.
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how's the white house feeling? >> we're felling very good. the president -- we're feeling very gchd tood. the president looks forward to speaking to america about the future, tonight's about winning the future, making sure the suds competitive, investing in innovation and education, and infrastructure. tightening our belts. joe, i know this will appeal to you, making sure that we are responsible about bringing down our deficit. and so i think it's a message that really reflects the priorities of our country. the needs of our country, and we're very hopeful that we can work together. >> so you think even joe will like the speech? >> i think even joe will like this speech. i think it was one that will resonate with him. it's going to resonate around the country because it's really about the future. we have a great country. we've been through a very difficult time. the last two years were very challenging. we had to make some tough decisions. but look what's happened. we now have said -- seen 12 consecutive months of private sector job growth. companies reported record earnings at the end of last
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year. and now we're going to move forward to this brighter future. i think there is a sense of optimism. and we're going to build on that. >> pat, optimism, optimism, optimism. >> pretty good. >> it's great. it is a great tone to set. >> right. it certainly is. and tucson was a great speech, valerie. let me ask you this -- what did you think about what happened to your former colleague, rahm emanuel, in chicago, where you're from yesterday? basically got thrown off the ballot and n that three-judge panel 2-1. stunner, as joe says. >> you know, pat, you know rahm, he's going to appeal vigorously. and i'm sure that you'll see that happen right away. >> yes. a nice way of putting it. vigorously. uh-huh. >> valerie, this is gene robinson. quick question. tonight's speech, everyone agreed that the tucson speech was rhetorically such -- it soared, and it touched people. are we to expect that tonight? is he going to try to top that? the rhetorical sense, or tell be more about the substance or --
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what's the plan? >> well, i think it will be visionary, and i think it will resonate broadly around our country. i think that as you mentioned earlier, that people who will be in the box will be a reminder of what we just went through in tucson. and the tragedy counciled with heroism. i think it will reflect the spirit of our country, one that believes in innovation and entrepreneurship. we're the country that's invented everything from the light bulb to the internet. and we want to make sure that we are supporting that kind of ingenuity for the future and that we're creating jobs that are going to be ones that will be sustainable and that we're educating our work force so that they can take over those jobs. we have a global marketplace now, it's a very different landscape than it was even five or ten years ago. and with the -- what the president will do is paint that vision for tomorrow. >> but valerie, if you're going to really make joe happy, is the president going to endorse any of the conclusions of the deficit reduction commission? is he going to try to completely ignore that, the rhetoric i'm sure will be great. but what about the specifics of
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satisfying half of the american people who want to see spending cuts? >> the answer to your question is you will definitely see the president -- by the end of the speech, everyone will know that he's committed to tackling our deficit. the fiscal commission that you mentioned is one that he appointed. he's the one that brought this bipartisan group together. and -- >> he's been silent about it since it came out. hasn't said a word about his conclusions. >> well, his conclusions are that he's directed his budget director to look at the recommendations. some of which he agrees with, some of which he may not. and that you will see reflected in the budget that will be released in the next three weeks specific recommendations for how we're going to cut. the president is absolutely committed to bringing our deficit down. all around the country, american families are tightening their belt, it's important for the federal government to do the same. >> all right, valerie, i'm just wondering what the response was inside the white house when word just -- just be completely honest here, like be transparent, completely. >> i'm always transparent with
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you guys, come on. >> this will be tough. >> here's a chance to be transparent. two words -- word association, everybody look at valerie's face. see how transparent she is. ready -- michelle bachmann. go. >> what are you talking about? the fact that she's going to be speaking this evening? >> oh, you're good. >> look, our 401(k) is on what the president -- our focus is on what the president's going to say and our message. >> no high fives -- >> no, no, no, listen. >> behave. >> this is a country that believes in free speech. a lot of people will have a lot to say about the speech tonight. our focus is on the president. and it's important that there are lots of voices to be heard, don't you agree, joe? >> in fact. let's hope that she goes on for a long time. and then perhaps takes to the podium again tomorrow morning. why not, right? free speech. >> you guys are tough. you're tough. i think it's important that everyone's perspective is heard and that we have a robust and open dialogue. that's what our country's all about, you guys. >> you're right. >> do you believe that
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republican leaders should call michelle bachmann out for saying that she believed americans should be "armed and dangerous" to oppose climate control legislation? >> you know what, joe, you know i'm not going to go there. all i'm going to focus on is what is important for the american people. how we're going to grow our economy, how we're going to create jobs right here at home, and if we keep our focus there, then our country's going to be all the better for it. and i'll leave all of the political discourse to others. >> okay. what -- did you want -- >> do you agree with michelle man and what she said yesterday, that everyone who came as an immigrant to this country from the founding of our country were free? and despite slavery, that the founders worked passionately to try to fix slavery, but that everyone else came here with equal opportunities? >> you know what, i didn't hear her full remarks. but that doesn't quite ring true with me. i'd say that, andrea, obviously. given that i'm african-american and that my descendants were
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slaves. >> yeah. let me ask you about jeff imell. you watch the show daily or every day except for a couple of weeks in the middle of the bp crisis. >> yeah. i did boycott you for a while, but i'm back. >> thank you. >> valerie called and said "i can't watch you anymore." you certainly know that our criticism here had been for a couple of years the president needed more businesspeople around him. and you guys have really sent strong signals up the past couple of weeks with your new chief of staff, and jeff imeld, talk about the president's relationship with jeff imeld over the past two years and why he was selected for the position he was. >> well, jeff is terrific. he's an iconic leader, internationally he's recognized as someone who over the last decades has led a country that's known for innovation and creativity. and looking toward the future. the president has had an opportunity to work closely with
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jeff over the last couple of years. jeff served on the president's economic recovery board, and he had many opportunities to dialogue with him. i think that he thought that jeff would be a terrific leader. he is someone who's respected by his peers. but most importantly, he's creating jobs right here in america. and so who better to advise us about the long-term sustainable growth which we know will come from the private sector than somebody who's doing the job now? >> no doubt. spoken like a true republican. thank you, peace is breaking out everywhere. let me say i think it's the wisest choice you could make for the next two days. when i actually think steve burke and roberts would have been a wiser choice. but anyway, valerie, congratulations. this is -- it's -- there are so many ups and downs. i know there have been times you've been very disappointed. but in what's happened -- but isn't it quite a ride? every white house can say this.
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the white houses, pat, that you were in, pat, every president, every administration has seasons. and right now, things are changing. n a good way for you guys. >> and they're improving not so much for us but for the country. the country is making progress in the right direction. and that's what's most important to us. if we grow jobs and if we build our economy and if we prepare for the future, we're going to win as a country. that's what's most important to president obama. >> all right, valerie jarrett. >> you know what? it's morning in america. >> oh, lord. just don't -- just -- sorry, valerie. thank you very much. >> it's okay, i'm used to it. you know that. you guys take care. >> thank you. >> we love you, valerie. >> see you later this evening. >> yes, we'll see you tonight. we'll be there. >> she didn't say she loved me back. >> she appreciates you. >> okay. very good. eugene robinson, thank you very much, as well. >> you're going to be on coverage tonight? >> i'll be on coverage from new york. >> that will be great. we'll look forward to it. ahead, former clinton press secretary dee dee myers, and
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and more than 100 hurt when a suspected suicide bomber carrying a suitcase set off a huge explosion. so far no one has claimed responsibility, but suspicion has focused on chechen militants. meanwhile, this morning's "daily telegraph" is reporting that russian security services had been tipped off a week ago that an attack was planned at a moscow airport. >> andrea, you're nbc news' chief foreign affairs correspondent, genius. tell us about this -- what's going on here? >> well, this is the second attack in about a year. there was an attack, as you know, on the subway station last march and before that. an express train, the previous november. this is probably chechen rebels, but it raises serious concerns about russian security. medvedev is on the spot. there's going to be a crackdown no doubt. interesting that the first word of this, the real information got out by twitter. and not by them going on television or radio. but i think the real concerns are going to be raised about the
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olympics and world cup and what's going to happen to 2014 and 2018. >> pat, they're worried about the north caucus -- >> as i understand, chechnya, even north -- problems in all of them, violence, assassinations and things. russia's increasingly islamicizing, the population falling to half a million a year. >> in the 1980s, people were talking not about a threat from a polish pope, they were talking about a threat from a growing muslim insurgency. and we are seeing that 25 years later. >> they'll be able to hold on to the north caucuses. i think russia's going to continue breaking up. and there are 25 million muslims, 30 million depending who you read, inside russia themselves. they've mainly been quascent. they've won the chechen war by
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turning the place into berlin. >> and clearly putin who's moving back as though he never left power, this is in the international arrivals part of the airport where people can just walk right in. >> people in moscow are going to say just let them if. don't let them bring this here, right? >> you'd think that -- >> it's not putin's way. >> it's not putin, i'm saying russia's. >> there's the fervor to hold on to everything they've got. >> we'll be able it get incredible historical perspective from my father tomorrow for sure. ahead, senator tom coburn and former governor ed rendell. up next, could a reinvigorated health care debate hurt obama? we're going to ask former clinton press secretary dee dee myers, who's right here on the set with us in washington. keep it right here. m map. >> troifts what once occupy -- terrorists who once occupied
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i assure you we will have a vote on repeal. if that does not pass and i don't think anyone is optimistic that it will, we intend to go after this health care bill in every way that we can. it's the single worst piece of legislation that's been passed in my time in the senate. it -- the american people get it, they understand here what has happened.
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and we need to try to repeal it overall, and then go back after it piece by piece and try to do what we can to keep it from being implemented. >> okay. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now, former white house press secretary for president bill clinton, dee dee myers. good day to have you on you. so much preparation goes into a state of the union. >> it does. >> what potentially is happening behind closed doors at the white house right now? >> well, you know, the president has been very involved in the speech as he is in all of his speeches. and i'm sure he's been tinkering with it. we know he tinkered with the tucson speech up into late into the night before he delivered it. i'm sure he's tinkering with it now. the staff will want him to run through it -- >> both of you guys were communication directors. let's talk about the two presidents, the different ways they handled it. first let's start with bill clinton. how would bill clinton be preparing today for the state of the union speech? >> he would -- he was very involved in his speeches, too. and, you know, he would edit and, at and edit --
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>> he's laughing. >> no, i was thinking about driving with the first lady up to the hill and writing at the last minute in the car -- >> always. >> and you guys crazy -- >> poor speechwriters and the adding. >> we didn't mention, we didn't mention reform -- >> sometimes they went long. >> the first really long one was 89 minutes. everyone said that's horrible, terrible. and it turned out when they got the neilsons that the audience increased every quarter hour during the course of the 90-minute speech. then the wisdom shifted that this was bill clinton's style. he talked about everything because he understood everything. >> let it breathe. >> yeah. and this president is a little more disciplined. i don't think we'll have a 90-minute speech. >> what about your guy? reagan? how did he prepare? >> once he was done, let's set it aside. he would relax. >> watch "the sound of music"? >> exactly. >> would he, really? >> before press conferences, he's coming in before he goes in front of 80 million people in the room, "hey, pat, have you
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heard the story about so and so"? we've got 45 seconds here, he's telling a joke. he walks out, and he's relaxed. i've never seen anybody like it. nixon was totally different. he'd sit in the room and study for two days. all these briefing books, call me up, get me more on this, click. you know. >> yeah. >> reagan was totally relaxed. i've never seen anybody like that. >> but literally corrected -- 1983, williamsburg summit. ronald reagan is supposed to tackle this briefing book sunday night. the first time he is hosting the then-g7. monday morning dawns, and jim baker goes in, chief of staff then. says, you know, "mr. president, anything in the briefing books?" "well, i didn't read them. "the sound of music" was on." >> but bill clinton, we heard all of these stories. ronald reagan was just zen. bill clinton was not zen but was frenetic. he never sweated the details like nicotine.
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he just was perpetual -- like nixon. he just was perpetual motion. >> he walked in, he got so much energy from every audience. walking in, touching people -- >> were were reagan and nixon like that? >> before the press conferences we'd have the television on him, okay, he's there, sir. he's there. >> do it -- >> is there -- there it is, we'd tell them where they were. they would show the pictures. yes, yes, you know. and he always would tell a joke or a story in the last minute and a half before he would walk out the door and down that carpet. >> you say he did that after reykjavik when all the world was up in arms. he's telling stories about, what, bing crosby? >> i was as angry as i've ever been seeing him out of reykjavik. he lit up there at the air base, all those people had waited six hours. he got on the plane. and then he came back about an hour into the flight, and hi,
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got on his running suit, you know. how you doing? i'm drinking my -- he'd start telling stories. it was like, look, can we just -- he's totally relaxed. >> telling hollywood stories. let's talk about after the speech. politicians, even presidents, can be needy people. after the speech, do they require people coming in and assuring them, no, mr. president, it went well? do you sit there -- is there that debrief? like after every morning joe. >> right. >> but they need to hear that. >> yes. >> technology evolved and there were dial groups. that was the big, new technology in the early to mid '90s. they would dial group these speeches. you know, president clinton was always interested in, you know, what -- what do we get, what are we hearing about the polls and dial groups, how do people respond. not only did he get the feedback, how was your delivery, how did it go in the room. how did the staff think it went. he liked to go to the upstairs
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residence and have people over. >> nixon would go up after he did it and couldn't sleep. he would call people, what did you think, would call on the phone, what did you think of the speech? it could be 2:00 in the morning, what? great, sir, it really went great. >> whereas reagan, i bet you never got a colin powell from him. never got a call. >> probably up watching something on television. >> "sound of music." >> "true grit." >> the famous bill clinton was when the teleprompter broke, joint session. same venue. and the teleprompter broke and while george stephanopoulos then -- >> it was worse than that because the poor prompter operator, the -- it was the wrong speech. so he was seeing the previous like the -- >> gosh. >> that's a detail -- they started to speed up. he's got the speech text, but on the prompter the thing is going -- >> he didn't miss a beat. >> yeah. >> that's impressive. >> awesome. >> and he nailed that speech. >> you also never know how
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something's going to play in america. i remember in '95 we thought we had clinton on the ropes. he came in, looked really tired. he had too much make-up on. he went on and on, and we sat in the seats laughing, being smug, going, this guy is blowing up in front of our face. >> right. >> the numbers came back, nielsens were high, and his approval rating jumped up. >> the day of big government is over? >> the following year actually. >> yeah. >> '96. >> i was out in iowa, i remember that. everybody saying it was a disaster. the guy went on and on. the polls -- >> right. >> went up seven points. >> one of clinton's strengths was that people thought he was in command of the substance. and it was an opportunity for him to show that he had some plans. he knew -- he had some ideas and he was in charge of the substance of his own government. >> so given the fact that sometimes you can't predict what the reaction will be -- >> right -- >> the scenario you laid out. and your job, have you ever had to say, boy, that really sucked? that was bad? >> no, you work really hard to find other words to say it.
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>> do you have to say it? >> you -- particularly my -- i would be more -- that would be more my job after a press conference than a state of the union speech. but, you know, still you're part of the team. there were times when you had to say, look, this question -- this response is going to be a problem. >> did he know when -- you didn't have to tell him? >> right. he did know usually. >> he was such a pro. >> he was a pro, but he didn't like to hear it. his first reaction was usually sort of kill the messenger, and then he would come back to, okay, what do i need to do -- >> what about milks anderatinix? >> you would try to find a nicer way. if he answered a question at a press conference that was -- you know, problematic, for whatever reason and you had to fix it and get on it quickly. so, you know, it was unpleasant, though. >> it was 1987, early, probably february, something like that. the press conference with the president. >> yes. >> and it came off bad for don regan. and he had us back in the roosevelt room, and he was just -- boiling with rage and
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anger. >> they had to do a correction, a printed correction at five of 9:00, ended at 8:35. at five of 9:00 primetime, they handed out a printed correction about what the president meant to say about iran contra. after he chewed you out, i was in the white house booth. my phone rang and the chief of staff to the president of the united states, don regan ripped me apart. i mean, it was the most -- >> what was the question? >> it was about whether there was a third country involved with transferring the missiles, whether israel was involved in illegally transferring the missiles to iran. and he said there was no third country, and of course there was. >> yeah. >> and this of the big news conference to correct the record, not make it worse. >> right. >> and read him -- >> it was the scariest moment of my career, in fact. >> what a story. >> we both left within a matter of weeks, we were both out of there. he had -- he went under different circumstances. >> yeah. >> the first lady fired him. yeah. >> wow. >> this is fascinating.
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look at this, live pictures it is snowing. karen said this was coming tomorrowville to get bill karins out here. it is snowing here in new york city live picture of the rink outside rockefeller plaza. welcome back to morning joe. i want to get take around in the table in d.c. about the tim pawlenty movie trailer, an ad from the political action committee as he walks up to announce he is going to run for president. i don't care what you think about tim pawlenty this is exciting. let's watch. >> prosperity were easy, everybody around the world would be prosperous. if freedom were easy, everybody around the world would be free. if security were easy, everybody around the world would be secure. they are not. none of this is gonna be easy, but this is the united states of america. it takes an extraordinary effort. it takes extraordinary commitment, it takes extraordinary strength.
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valley forge wasn't easy. going to the moon wasn't easy. settling the west wasn't easy. we are the american people. >> i don't know but guys, but i am in. i am in. i don't even know what -- i don't know what he is selling there, but i'm in, whatever it is. >> pat buchanan, is it overselling? >> it goes to his weakness. he is not perceived as exciting and tough and aggressive and the ad is exactly that and you think, geez, here comes pawlenty. >> here he comes. >> you know? >> he gets to the podium. >> mika. >> the cart a little ahead of the horse, i think. >> seriously -- >> i think it's a good ad in the sense there is an introductory ad but he is going to have to come up and follow it. that is where you get to sort of the laid back tim pawlenty we have always known. >> okay. >> mika, are you suggesting that the trailer might be better than
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the move in this case? >> i don't know. >> i hate when that happen.s. >> better coming from pat than me. >> one more story, mika, this will excite you because of your jihad against fast food. an alabama law firm is now suing taco bell because it says that the restaurant is lying when it says that stuff in the tacos is actually beef. they say it is not. they say it is a meat mixture that is less than 35% actual beef. the rest of it, only god knows what's in those things some, they say they don't want money, they are not suing to bring restaurant down, they just want taco bell to be more forth coming about what they are putting inside these tacos and it ain't meat. >> we have our own scientific experiment with lee cowan, nbc's lee cowan, because that is the only place he eats. >> is that right? >> yeah. that's where he goes. ask any photographer he works with, maybe because there's no meat in there. just sayingment. >> lee cowan's -- a fine frame,
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he is gonna have a speech that, in certain ways, like ronald reagan, it is going to talk about optimism and growth and our future, not this dour, sour, we can't do anything right and america is all messed up completely, which i'm hearing from some of my republican
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friends. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's snowing in times square. another storm on the way. we have the white house as well, the morning of the state of the onaddress, which we are here in washington covering, pat buchanan, norah o'donnell and didi meyers are with us. welcome back, top of the hour, big day today. we are going to be there. >> really is. you hear the theme coming out of the white house, american competitiveness? these are some themes that are really going to strike a chord with independent voters that the president won in 2008. >> it is a very, very good landscape for this president.
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>> going to hear china mentioned a lot tonight, i would guess, and they are not going to be talking about the state visit. and pat this president has had a blind spot among what used to be called reagan democrats, then they were perot people and members of the buchanan brigade across the rust belt. and when the president talks about keeping america competitive and getting manufacturing jobs back fighting -- pushing back on china, he is speaking right to the group that he has never been able to nail politically. >> this is as close to a can't-miss speech as i can imagine, quite frankly, because he has tested the theme of unity and above the battle out there in tucson and every conservative commentator almost that i saw, they were all on television saying the president did a terrific job. he took us above all this division. he glows and as you say, these scenes are very positive, going to say, yeah, we do have to cut the deficit and cut the budget, however, we got to stay with education and things like that that are very positive for his side of the aisle.
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it is a -- ryan has a very tough job. >> raise expectations by saying -- i think he has a very difficult need toll thread which is how do you protect your investment and convince the american people that the investments are important while making a serious case their going to reduce the deficit? people are concern about the level of the deficit. >> they are. >> i think the president's in a good position, he is in a much better position than anyone would have believed ten weeks ago after the elections. and i think how much foreign policy, we will hear a lot from the republican it is he doesn't talk about america's choice in the world. >> coming out of iraq the end of the year, starting out of afghanistan in july. >> a jobs speech, economy speech, a speech about competitiveness, but i think it has a big patriotic theme, everything we are hearing from the white house, we can outcompete everyone on the earth that there are these five pillars of innovation, education, infrastructure, deficit reduction, reforming government, we can be better than the rest of the world, we are americans, we are the united
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states of america, we are going to start to shine. >> we are not right now but okay. >> exactly. so how do we become, such a buzz word, something for the president. we will end essentially this 98-year tradition, the united states congress of the republicans and democrats sitting on opposite aisles. >> i like that. >> that right now -- >> our next guest, who we heard from senator schumer bumping into this segment, now we have his date. joining us now from capitol hill, republican senator from oklahoma, senator tom coburn. senator, thanks for being on the show. >> good morning. >> my mom always -- >> i just got through watching "the sound of music." >> tom, my mom always warned me about people that i hung out with and i'm sure your mother did the same thing, yet you're going to be sitting with chuck schumer. why? >> oh, i think it's just
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symbolic. he called and asked me to do it. you know, look, our problems are so great and so urgent, we can't get hung up on party labels. if the president tonight talks about us walking together, what that means, we really need to walk together and if we do, we can -- there's not a problem in front of us that we k solve. however with we go about solving it will be critical and interpersonal relationships and reconciliation are a key to almost everything in life and if we are accepting of that and we don't judge people's motives but we judge them with pure intent, then we can solve a lot of problems. >> and tom, you also have had very good interpersonal relations with president obama, speaking to him quite a bit. and tell us what you're expecting from the president tonight.
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>> well, i haven't thought about -- i have thought about a lot of the problems that we have and there are a lot of solutions. my solutions are probably going to be much different than his, when you think about the government now it is twice the size it was in 1999 and anybody who doesn't think that we can't whack a couple hundred billion dollars out of this budget and nobody feel it i don't think has a realistic sense of where we are. you know, if you -- i have got a report coming out on job training programs. there's 49 job training programs in this country that cost $30 million a year, not one of them has a metric on t and i can go through that. we have got housing for the elderly, 30 different programs. we got 28 different early childhood program. we got 26 programs for obesity in children. i mean, we have just got duplication upon duplication and what it's gonna require is recognition of what the real threat to our country is. the threat to our country is our
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finances and lives within our means and is the existential threat that we face. and the confidence of the world in us getting ahold of our problems, if we can achieve that, then we are going to be well on our way to fixing what's wrong with us. >> senator, as you know, better than almost anybody on capitol hill, when you look at our long-term debt problem, for the most part it is social security, medicare, medicaid, interest on the debt, especially ten years from now, and pentagon spending, do you think the president and congress will be responsible enough to tackle those sacred cows? >> i think we are with, if we don't get hung up in divisions. again, the key is -- what is the threat? what is the problem? we are all gonna have different answers on how to solve it but what we need is 100% commitment we are going to solve it and how we solve that means we have to make significant reductions in
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the spending on the discretionary side and significant reforms on the entitlement programs. the easiest one, social security, we can solve that problem but we need to be solving it now, not waiting till it gets to be a worse problem. it is only about $7 trillion unfunded liabilitieses, only 7. i say that jokingly. and we have borrowed $2.6 billion from it that we are going to have to pay back. the reason health care is such an issue, what we have done on health care makes it worse, not better, attack the real problems in health care, which is costs. >> all right, senator, given everything we are talking about and what we think is important for the future of this country, looking ahead tonight symbolically, do you think it is a good idea for michele bachmann to be doing a is second republican response? >> oh, i don't know. i haven't even heard that i wasn't aof that.
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>> well, she is doing a second republican response, so now you know. it is a tea party response after paul ryan it is after paul ryan, right? >> mm-hmm. >> yeah i believe so. what do you make of that? >> the message get where it needs go, i don't care where it comes from f, in fact it relates took common sense and running our government and understanding what the constitution says, i don't think there is any problem with more information. i think the question is will we put it out there in a way where people can understand it and agree we need to fix the problems? so, i'm -- look, this is a free country. if i want to do a response, i'll be putting out a statement on the state of the union as well. >> right. okay. >> the question is are we gonna focus on the conflicts and the things that get the news media excited or going to focus on
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what the real problems are? i once had a reporter, nobody will come and pay attention to spending because nobody be is interested in it. i want to tell you can the american people are interested in it now and they understand that we can't keep doing what we are doing. >> yep. >> so anybody that contributes to that dialogue, i'm cool. >> norah o'donnell? >> hi, senator, it is norah o'donnell here. >> hi, norah. >> you mentioned a lot of other programs were there are not metric because a lot of people think focusing on that is really a fiscal sideshow that what many members of congress need to be focused on are these sacred cows,as joe put it medicare, number one, medicaid and then social security. you said social security is an easy one what is the easy solution there? >> well, i think the easy solution is slowly raise the age of retirement as our life expectancy has gone up. that's what we have done in the past, help those that are the poorest that social security really doesn't supplement now. one of the things the debt commission did was when you're 85 or 87 and starting to run out of your funds, give a little
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bump there, change the bend curves in it to where the wealthiest receive a little bit less than what they would have. we can do all those things without raising taxes on anybody and make social security solve vent for 125 years. >> all right. hey, senator coburn,?.%ank you so much for being with us. >> hey, good morning. >> we appreciate t and we will see you tonight. >> you and senator schumer make a fine pair. >> a fine pair. >>save him a place right among all of us conservatives. >> be there tonight. >> good luck with that. >> didi, as the president delivers his speech tonight, a new cnn poll came out, shows the president sitting at 55%. >> there were three polls that have him in the low to middle 50s. >> 56. >> yep. >> that is something. 55% approve, 44% disapprove, the new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll 53%, pretty remarkable turnaround in two moment. >> remarkable. remarkable. they are obviously thrilled about at the white house, but think one thing they are
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conscious of, things turn around one way really quickly and they can turn around the other way really quickly. >> absolutely. >> but i mean this president could be sitting at 55 with unemployment still well above 9% after the beating he took at the midterms, it's a stunning political performance. i mean, just shows you, again, how quickly things can change. >> almost seems just given the conversation i watched the first hour and obviously have been here listening to you now, almost the danger is overselling it, making fun of the tim pawlenty commercial, but pat, to an extent now is that what the white house needs to stay focused on avoiding, almost overselling this speech? >> i don't see how the speech loses, quite frankly, from everything i have heard about t. >> there he goes. >> raising expectations. >> barack obama of tucson that is the face of the party now. what was the face of the party on november 2nd? nancy pelosi and harry reid. and i think that he has cut way
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up and away from these folks. he has ascended. >> he has done it himself. >> he did it, brushed him aside said i'm going to deal with republicans, you got your bush tax cuts, take them, but i want x, y and z. you the caught good deal from his standpoint, went on, votes on the dream act, don't ask, don't tell. >> and didi, the past year, people like pat buchanan and i have been sake the president, two years, president going in a disastrous direction, get pounded in the midterms, the question is will he be able to turn as anymorably as bill clinton? well, it took a year for bill clinton to turn. >> right. >> it took this president a couple of weeks. i'm stunned by that. >> part of it is everything is faster now. part of it is i think this president recognized that he had to make some changes. he, again, took charge of this in men ways himself, led the decision to remake his economic team, i think he made it clear he wanted to go and do business with the republicans during the lame duck and he got things done. it will be interesting to see from the speech tonight which parts of what's happened the
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last ten weaker they are going to double down on, is it reaching to the middle, working with republicans, what they think has driven his numbers up, talk about eye on the and bipartisanship? >> didi and i were talk this as we were getting made up this morning. >> all the good things happen in the makeup room. >> extreme makeover session that happens at 5:30 in the morning, the president in many ways achieved what the president was begging about him, the tran develop tucson where is the leadership from president obama? where is the voice of optimism that we heard during the campaign and the tragedy in tucson sort of focused on the nation's attention on the president and the speech he gave. and i think in many ways, he was sort of able to regain some of his -- with his orator cal power, that visionary spirit that people like and need from the president, amount mystic speech they need when unemployment is at 9%, i think had is the jumping off point for the president in the state of the union, people like what they heard in the speech and want to
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hear more of it. they want to know there is a future for america, and they need a leader to tell them what that s. >> always a reservoir of goodwill toward obama even people disagreed, didn't think he was doing a good job on the economy. >> if his low point is 45% in the polls, he is doing pretty well. >> now cashing in on that because people trust him. they think his intentions are good and is willing to listen. >> i think this provides a key moment for republicans, paul ryan a fiscal conservative say we need somebody who needs to cut severe lit budget and will the tea party look like bad players if they are all sitting by themselves as some reports they will do while all these other republicans and democrats, coburn and shumer are sitting together and the tea party thinks this is a ploy and decides to sequester themselves and sit a off to the corner? i think there is a key moment here tonight. >> pat, i keep going back to the past two years, where we have said the president lost his wake the dynamic looks great for
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republicans, we were right, but you and i -- don't go to break yet, hold on, i want to get this out, you and i believe, pat, i think just hearing you, just politically, analyzing this, the president is in such a good place, i can't really device a lot of scenarios over the next two years, unless we have a double-dip recession, unless spain goes under and create use domino effect, with the economy improving, i don't see a lot of scenarios to this president not getting to 51%. wary long way off no doubt about it but do you not -- sounds like you agree with me things have set up perfectly for this president. >> i'm really sort of a long-term pessimist. i really think this -- i will be honest, i think debt bomb, see what is happening in ireland,
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see what is happening in the states, the debt ceiling, i think, you know, we could wake up one morning and boom, the whole thing comes out from under if it doesn't, if the economy is really rolling, but i think we are -- i think we may be headed into, we don't know it some severe turbulence. >> the world is a volatile place, so -- >> it s. >> my god, six months a ago it was greece, portugal, last month, it was ireland, now it's spain. >> now california and illinois. >> california, illinois, new york's in trouble. no, that is the great threat. so, hey, when we come back, we are going to bring in former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. first, here is bill karins, he is bringing snow become to the east coast. >> can't give this stuff away for free, joe, some snow out there this morning, reports of one to two inches outside of new york city made for a pretty treacherous commute, flakes are flying here in new york currently, gone an hour or two from now and turn out to be a decent day, see temperatures
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pretty mild today, compared to yesterday, we will take t temperatures in the 30s much of new england, light snow continues into the boston area probably until noon or so the big story is the next storm, heavy rain investment in the southeast today, snow tonight in areas of tennessee, even winter storm warnings and then that mess will come up into the east. this looks like a very messy scenario, a lot of areas going from snow to rain and sleet and back to snow. so we are going to get it all from new york to d.c., even up there in southern new england. more details and snow amounts for you tomorrow morning here on "morning joe." you are watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] in the event of a collision, the smartest thing you could do is cut the fuel supply... ♪ ...unlock the doors, and turn on the hazard lights.
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with all due deference to separation of powers, last week, the supreme court reversed a century of law that i believe will open the flood gates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our elections. >> oh, i'm so excited about this. >> that was not one of the president's better moments last year. constitutional law professor incorrectly calling out the supreme court. >> going to have a better night tonight. i'm talking about this. >> pat buchanan guaranteed a huge success. >> overselling t. >> a good job. >> joining us now --. pat keeps saying bet the over, bet the over, bet the over. >> i love it. >> the former governor of pennsylvania and now nbc news political analyst, ed rendell.
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>> that is a big announcement and governor, we have been begging you to come here for years and you would say, joe, mika, i've got a daytime job. governor -- >> you were a little bit -- >> but we talked about it a month or two ago and excited to have you on board, nbc news. >> i'm excited, too, because nbc has given met platforms to continue to influence the public dialogue a little bit. nbc, cnbc, i have done squawk b -- "squawk box" for governor. >> i don't know what that is. >> what are you talking about? >> this show, i have said it before, the best show on television because of its balance. and i think balance is so crucial. the next two years -- >> by the way, now we literally are paying him. but go ahead. >> thank you. >> the next two year, the challenges for america are enormous and the clock is ticking. we are getting killed competitively, which is why the president is going to talk about
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competition tonight. we are getting killed in so many different ways, we can't have politics as usual for the next two years. and you guys sound the alarm all the time. and people listen. >> are you excited about what you're hearing out of washington? we had tom coburn coming on, one of the most conservative fiscal hawks talking about how we need to work together, chuck schumer, a guy who has always been, you know, just a street fighter when it comeses to politics, he is sitting next to coburn. it seems peace is not breaking out and we don't want peace, we disagree, but civility just may be. and if you're going to get anything done and something that governors understand, this delegitimizing of presidents that began with bill clinton and carried through george w. bush and really has blown up under barack obama has got to end. >> the rhetoric seats tone. it is what we do after that. after this is gone, we have to get together. and i think paul ryan's speech
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tonight is going to be important. is he going to bash the president or take the things that the president talked about that he agrees about and emphasize those? i was on a show with tom coburn and we talked about american competitiveness. conservative, republican, progressive democrat. we were both on board that we have got to get competitive again in the world marketplace. >> didi, i always, when i go out and talk, i always tell people about how bill clinton did not like us at all when we came. he didn't get us. sometimes he looked at us -- >> you are not disagreeing, right? >> he sort of got you. >> but we were young and we were conservative and we were just so aggressive. and yet, he was able to sit down and work with john kasich, newt gingrich, balance the budget four years in a row for the first time since the '20s, welfare reform, 20 million new jobs, tax cuts, paying down the debt, whipping two wars, that happened with a washington politically at war. and yet, at the end of the day, people sat down and worked things out. >> right. and i think part of it was that
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president clinton came from a state where everyone was a democrat but there were conservative democrats and used to working with conservatives and i think that bipartisanship is a habit. vince lombardi said winning is a habit and losing is a habit. bipartisanship is a habit, work become the other side is a habit, i think sitting down, symbolic for them to sit together tonight, democrats and republicans but a down payment on a habit of sitting next to somebody and seeing the world from their perspective and trying to understand their views. >> what is happening with barack obama, who is if that was his habit, he broke it the past two years but now running to the center, basically telling his own progressives i'm going to work with these guys, we are going to figure it out. what's happened? >> i think barack obama is finally understanding what executive leadership is all about joe. you can't be an ideologicaologue a successful executive, someone has to make the trains run on time. no republican way to do that no democratic way to do that i think what people liked about what happened in the lame duck session, not so much he moved to
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the center, that for sure, but he showed he could lead again, he co-lead. >> also that he could compromise. >> that's part of leading. that's part of leading. executives have to make it work. compromise is part of that leading, setting the tone. >> pat? >> let's go to the substance, as you talked about. republicans respect going to do a thing on defense, aren't going to do a thing on taxes, democrats respect going to do medicare, medicaid, social security. the president will talk about infrastructure and education that is discretionary stuff some of the republicans want to cut. i don't see where you get there when you are talking about a deficit of $1.4 trillion. 35% of the budget or higher than that. that's what makes me a pessimist. >> how is it gonna be done? >> pat is absolutely right. first of all you can't do a deficit, i heard you guys say this a couple days ago, you got to go where the money neither sides want to go where the money is. the republicans don't want to go
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to debt. >> you have got to cut entitlements. >> the truth to the american people. i think it maybe the pain that is miss and cause this house to collapse. you have got to invest and the president's right, to be comp petstive, we got to keep investing and mika, i'm excited, infrastructure a big part of this. in the last 20 state of the unions, only one -- four presidents have mentioned the word infrastructure. no one more than once. no money one more than once it is exciting to hear infrastructure over and over again. >> he is flirting. ed's flirting. >> you just back off. so, pat, i'm sorry, governor, it seems to me, and pat and i were talking about this earlier, republicans maybe setting themselves up for failure here by not talking about pentagon cuts, medicare, medicaid. >> lose their credibility. >> because that requires them to cut infrastructure, to cut research and development, to cut all of these --
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>> education. >> all of these things that we have to double down on to stay competitive with china. meanwhile, these cuts will not amount to anything. it was amazing. i heard -- >> in the long run. >> i was watching c-span around 1:00 last night and barney frank was cross-examining a republican. >> nerd alert here, what were you doing at 1 a.m. last night? >> i have no life. >> i was watching c-span. >> by the way no offense to c-span but if you have trouble falling asleep, it's awesome. it's awesome. >> willie geist's lips. so i wases watching c-span last night and -- >> but wait, and barney frank kept cross examining. he said, okay, let's take medical research, can serb $6 billion. president bush ramp it had up, you are going to cut 22% of cancer research and the republicans said, no, no we are not going to cut cancer research. the trouble with cutting the budget without touching the big
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items is then you get into little items extremely popular. >> this is one-sixth of the budget talking about drawing all the blood from while leaving these other programs that will cripple us. >> that is so right. >> by the beginning of next century, you're going to have medicare, medicaid, social security, interest on the debt, sucking up our entire tax revenue. not even defense spending. >> serious when they said they were going to cult $100 billion but do it without touching seniors, soldiers or veterans. which goes back to one thank is one-sixth of the budget, they were never serious. >> ed, you say people, politics on either side have to tell the truth, what is the truth? if it were you what were examples of what would have to go, if you were to go to these thing? >> robert gates says we can cut the military budget significantly, let's cut it significantly, number one. we all know the waste in the military budget and we can cut it without hurting our men and women in the field. that is number one. number two let's get them home, let's get them home there is no excuse for us spend egg the
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money we are spending. we shouldn't be nation building in afghanistan. we ought to be nation building in pennsylvania. >> so much waste. >> david walker, of course, a real hero when it comes to the debt, peter peterson foundation, says the pentagon is one agency, one bureaucracy that could not survive an independent audit, they would be slaughtered. nobody goes this there, there are weapons systems that the general and admirals don't even want, don't even need. we are fighting a war in afghanistan that continues, $2 billion a week. >> foisted on them by politicians. >> the marines counter vehicles and the republicans said, no, be you are not. >> so a congressman in dur ist strict makes certain weapons, would you still be fighting to cut them? >> yeah. yeah. i went after pea nut subsidies, sugar subsidies. you do it and you always get rewarded. >> just like the -- >> in fact if you have that going on in your own district -- this is something, ed, that you know, and pat, you've seen it
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before, there's nothing more revealing than a politician standing up and doing something -- >> i have to con if he i went to iowa and came out for ethenol, ed. >> oh, pat. pat. pat. you have no shame. >> reality show on tlc -- >> my god. >> thank you very much. good to sigh. good to have you on board. see you tonight. all right. >> we will see you tonight, nbc news coverage. >> big night for infrastructure. >> oh, yes. okay. business before the bell with erin burnett is next on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] 95% of all americans aren't getting enough whole grain.
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look at that. >> boy, i tell you what snowing in new york. snow has come this year. it is nonstop. yeah. that is griffin's office in new york city. check business before the bell with cnbc's international
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superstar erin burnett. >> morning. >> erin, we wanted to talk about things yesterday. all i wanted to talk about was the greatness that was jeff immelt, ge and just to cover myself for next week, burke and comcast. >> covering all territory. i think you did. >> take it away. >> here's where we are this morning. we are going to have a lower open, pretty sharply lower, that's what happens when you get near a landmark like dow 12,000, a psychological landmark, actual s all the money you have in mutual funds indexed to anything, it is not indexed to the dow it is indexed to the s & p. the dow matters psychologically, a lot of effort to get over that 12,000, may not happen today. got a lot of earnings, the big week, three times as many companies this week as any of the prior. >> so, who are we going to be looking at what are the big names? >> boeing, our country's biggest exporter, another one you love to talk about, joe,cality pillar, the heart of the global infrastructure economy,
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microsoft, all these names coming out today, all but one with, a dow component. those are really important. and i had two really quick points i wanted to make about state of the union jobs and also about debt, 'cause you guys are having such a fascinating conversation about what i call the big three, social security, medicare and the military. first of all, on that front, debt. so we have a crisis and we all know it right? joe, this is amazing, and we are going to have an expert on this on "street since" today. if you add up the assets of the united states, household assets, what you have, corporate assets, companies, real estate they own, small businesses a sets, you get $105 trillion in assets in this country. there's no country in the world that has assets like that you subtract out all the debt, company debt, individual debt, the mortgages, the debt that we borrow, 14.1 trillion that we talk about off net national wealth in this country of about $60 trillion. >> i bet. >> and so, while we have a crisis, and we do we need to put a plan out to deal with it right now it is not as if we are going
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bankrupt tomorrowment. >> right. and governor, obviously we do have a debt crisis, we have to take care of it but also hearing bad news about american manufacturing for years, "the wall street journal" reports last week, an uptick, reporting from ford, caterpillar and other reports that suggest that american manufacture er ing may staging a come back. >> in pennsylvania, the last six months, manufacturing grew. we got to do more, getting killed by china. hey, joe. >> erin, go ahead. >> i want to throw out here, i know you guys have music going, something i thought you might like before we go. remember how we called it rally to restore sanity or jon stewart did and glenn beck called his the rally to restore honor? in lebanon, they are calling it what it is today, the rally of anger. it is day of anger, day of rage in lebanon, not trying to sugarcoat it with a nice name over there. >> are they really? >> yes. >> day of anger in the middle east.
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>> yeah. >> okay. >> wow. >> all right, erin burnett, thank you very much. >> bye, guys. next, was it a good move for chris christie to turn down the republican state of the union response? we will talk about that and much more straight ahead on "morning joe."
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welcome back. pat buchanan just walked out. so fired up about the president's speech. >> so good. >> norah o'donnell still with us, politico's patrick gavin, and of course, didi meyers. so, to obviously the president has the state of the union address tonight, even though he is expected to go out and pat said he is going to hit the ball out of the park, hit a home run, competitive, how important are these things?
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i mean, have we gotten to a point now it is nothing more than just grand theater? >> an interesting piece in the "new york times" today what is interesting about the state of the union it reminds you how old school the presidency is, that it has sort of an old school feel to it doesn't feel very broadband but that is also part of its appeal as well. the reality, you look at television coverage, it is blanketed, online video through the roof on this. twitter, everything else. so, it is a -- >> around 50 million people who will watch the speech and interpret it for themselves. >> so divided as a culture this is the one time rather than say, let's say the super bowl, or the olympics that americans come together, right? >> the super bowl of politics in many ways. as didi said, the president will have larger ratings than any other time during the year, the nation focuses on this the republicans get a big bump as well, paul ryan be able to provide an alternative, i was just looking of he -- >> you say that but these things are set up to make congressmen
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and senators look small. it doesn't matter. reagan used to just swat away democrats. clinton would swat away republicans. i mean, it is. the theater is really bad for congressmen and senators. >> the energy and the -- you know, the whole pomp and ceremony that surrounds the president, walking in through members, everyone falling over themselves trying to touch him, you go to the poor guy doing the response and they are by themselves. >> hold on, i think paul ryan is a good choice. >> an interesting choice. a road map the republican leadership doesn't agree with and i find that interesting, what is he gonna say? is it something that there's consensus about in his party? good message but even more so the ability to deliver it without failing and we have seen some really massive failures on the part of republicans? >> i was looking at this and
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paul ryan would say the spending binge in washington has to end. he called for eat vensal privatization of social security, called for replacing medicare with the voucher system. he is urging -- >> won't do that tonight though? >> yeah, i don't know he is i'm told tonight urge republicans to not vote for a raising of the debt ceiling unless there are massive spending cuts. we have reached 14 trillion, 14.2 or 14.3 raise the debt ceiling in a couple weeks have to have this vote. won't be spending votes in a couple of weeks. >> talk about chris christie. we just heard from an aide a couple of days ago that he was offered the opportunity to do the republican response and said, no. you think that is a smart idea? >> the aide is confirming that i think it is a really smart idea to say no but i would have left it there. >> patrick? >> the risk is with anybody who does it obvious that you could mess up, the big risk, all of a
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sudden, a bull's eye on your back. paul ryan, sort of beloved by everybody in d.c., even if you don't agree with him, now has democrats coming after him, calling his fiscal plan irresponsible. so the second you do this, yes, you run the risk of nobody watching, having a bobby gyp dal moment, things like that but now you also are the poster child for the opposition, you can't sit become and let somebody else take the heat. now paul ryan is going to take the heat. >> the things the most part -- a president will stand up, like you said, i do hereby declare -- >> it is going to do well. >> with a flash flight. >> i think he will do well. i will make a bet for you. >> the right thing for paul ryan this-to-do think the absolute wrong thing for chris christie to do i'm not going to get into this while my own state is crap grappling with fiscal. >> he is more of an outsider, i
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think, too, than paul ryan is document think snafrmts good part of the strategy in any years to go outside of washington, places where people actually lived and get somebody to respond from the -- streets. >> i note republicans were struggling to find someone to do the response, they went to chris christie, replicate what mcdonald did in the previous year the state house, people sitting in there it looked like a smaller version of state of the union, people applauded, interesting to see who is in the audience, the house budget committee room. >> state legislatures, they look so small next to congress. looks like a cheap movie set. >> get whomever directed tim pawlenty's video. >> topics, michele bachmann, throwing it out there, patrick, i -- actually just want to ask you, your party asks you not to do something because they don't think it will be constructive, why do you then -- why -- what would make you say -- >> i wouldn't listen to my party
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but if i were -- i think members of my party need to call out michele bachmann for some things that she's said and i know that offends republicans. they are just afraid -- somebody says they want americans to be arm and dangerous, this is not a difficult thing to call out. for some reason, republicans are are scared to call it out. republicans have no problem calling out barack obama when he said that whole, if they bring a knife to the fight, we will bring a gun. so if they are going to call out barack obama, this woman has said -- >> what is the inside story? does anyone know? she is choosing to do a second republican response? is she going rogue? >> the tea party. >> argue about this perhaps a smart strategy because you could have michele bachmann take care of the tea party, full, the republican party can then disassociate themselves from the elements of the tea party that they don't like. great for michele bachmann politically. it is not great for republicans. >> how does that help them, though, drive their strategy in congress, for example? >> when you look at the tea
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party -- >> pathological or something? >> look at the tea party, they brought -- the amount of people that they got to the polls in the house, that's not a group you want to ignore, right? >> no, not at all. >> i don't think that is sort of throwing them a bone. special tea party. >> rand paul would have worked, marco rubio, a lot of people that could have done this in a way that wouldn't hurt them like michele bachmann would. >> the senate and the tea party have a different relationship. >> marco rubio turn it had down, scott brown turned it down, a number of people who i think were -- at least reached out to and asked if they wanted-to-do this. quick prediction, will rahm emanuel end up on the ballot? >> oh. >> honestly, no. >> wow. >> no. >> why? >> i hope he does. i think he should, but i just don't know. >> yes or no? >> no. >> i think yes. >> i'm sorry, i meant yes. i don't know.
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hey, willie, did we get any nominations this year? >> the oscar nominations just came out, exciting news this year, judd, nominated every film every committed to celluliod, "black swan" "the fighter"
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welcome back, talk about what we learned today, billy, what did you learn? >> next year's oscars when tim pawlenty's thriller will be nominated over and over again. i can't wait to see this movie. >> absolutely. pat oversells and now i know why. >> that is what i was learning. >> trying to set expectations for the president's speech so high so he can bet. >> the speech is a mortal lock. no way it can be messed up. >> what about you, norah? >> i learned because of pat buchanan's recent eye surgery, he can no longer hang out in a